Drums
in Bluegrass Yes or No?
(research results - Feb.
7, 2006)
Concerning the acceptance of drums within bluegrass music, below
a short summary
of the results from our voting audience for the "Yes"
or "No" baskets but you may note from
the results that this was not a simple binary question.
The votes came in as an input from 69 voters all around the
world in the
following descending order of quantity of votes received by country:
USA, Canada, United Kingdom, Australia, Denmark, France, Italy,
Germany,
Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Czech
Republic, New Zealand
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THE
"YES" BASKET
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THE
"NO" BASKET"
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| 18
people voted "Yes" (average age: 52 years old) |
51 people voted "No"
(average age: 50 years old) |
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from whom some specified:
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from whom some specified:
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| Yes but just a snare
drum with a brush |
No, ..... but.... |
| Swing ! Boys! |
NO! NO! NO! |
| Yes, soft drums or percussion
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NO drums please |
| Yes, but prefer a mando
chop |
No Drums |
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Noooooooooo |
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I prefer the version
without drums |
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absolutely not, never
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Hell no we won't go |
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No - twang that bass!
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Preferably - NO!! |
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Most certainly NOT!!
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and some filled in their "Bumper
Sticker" saying:
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and some filled in their "Bumper
Sticker" saying:
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| God - Protect me from
thy followers |
there's no "beatin'
"Bluegrass! |
| I like the Chicks!
because Chicks like sticks! |
it's good music, but
it ain't bluegrass with drums |
| Round and white is
good enough for bluegrass |
Finger Pickin' Good
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| Yes for drums, Yes
for nylon strings on banjo |
Bluegrass + Drums
= Country |
| Dont be afraid to
PICK a drummer |
Absolutely not! |
| Keep Music Live |
Brushes maybe |
| Drums are ok in some
circumstances but ........... |
2B1ASK1 |
| Drums in Bluegrass?
Only in Brasil! |
clasic bluegrass without
drums,newgrass with drums |
| never heard drums
in blue grass, but its sure good |
Tricky question! I
play drums in a bluegrass band. |
| My Banjo is on Steroids
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I vote no for this
example (already ?) |
| "The whole band is
the rhythm section" - J. Garcia |
Pick it boy! |
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Thanks for your work.
Paolo |
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Bluegrass is rythm
by itself. |
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It's the strings that
make the rythme |
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Bluegrass Rules! |
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Drive, without drums.
That's Bluegrass. |
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There ain't no drums
in bluegrass. |
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Bluegrass Music Lives!!
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When I want drums,
I listen to country! |
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" That ain't no part
of nuthin' " |
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Drums in Bluegrass?
Puleeeeeze |
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It's already been
tried years ago.No then, No now! |
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Just Say No |
We take this opportunity to show below
two recent quotes from two bluegrass celebrities, bassman Tom Gray
and banjo/guitar player Ron Block where you can see the concern
of both about keeping bluegrass what it is, "GOOD MUSIC",
independent of their "Drums Yes or No" flavored argument.
From: Tom Gray
OK, since I've been invited, I'll chime in,
though I may live to regret it. I DO NOT LIKE DRUMS IN BLUEGRASS!
In jazz, I actually enjoy a good drummer, for in jazz, they
play with variety and dynamics, leaving the bassist room
to improvise. In rock music, a strong drummer is necessary.
In bluegrass, drums are usually destructive. I've heard
many well-known BG artists overwhelmed by heavy drumming.
It wasn't so bad when Jimmy Martin had only a snare, but
a full drum set is too much for acoustic bluegrass.
Unfortunately, when drums are imposed on bluegrass,
people seem to think it should be a country style of drumming
- a dreadful, steady throbbing with a heavy downbeat. That
downbeat is so strong, that it makes my efforts at playing
a bass line secondary to the unimaginative pulse of the
bass drum. Just like a pile driver! He's stepping on my
feet! If I try to slip in anything other than that predictable
throb, we wind up at cross-purposes. Some times when I've
had to put up with a drummer in bluegrass, I wish I could
take a baseball bat and break the drummer's right leg.
Of the Seldom Scene recordings that used drums,
the only one I cared for was "Good Morning Mister Railroad
Man". On that one, the audible part of the drums were brushes
on the snare. On that one, I felt the bass and drums actually
complimented each other. He was playing out of my range.
No problem.
DRUMS AIN'T NO PART OF NUTHIN'!!
Tom Gray
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(Portuguese translation by Erio Meili)
,Já que me
convidaram para escrever, vou dizer, mesmo que depois venha
me arrepender. NÃO GOSTO DE BATERIA NO BLUEGRASS!.
De fato gosto de um bom baterista no Jazz, pois tocam com
variedade e dinâmica, deixando espaço para
o baixista na improvisação. Já no Rock,
um baterista forte é necessário. No entanto,
no Bluegrass, as baterias normalmente são destrutivas.
Ouvi muitos artistas bluegrass bem conhecidos sendo esmagados
por sons pesados de bateria. Não era tão mau
quando o Jimmy Martin só tinha uma caixa de repique,
mas, uma bateria completa está demais para um bluegrass
acústico.
Infelizmente quando
as baterias são impostas no bluegrass, parece que
as pessoas estão pensando que deveria ter a batida
do tipo Country - um espantoso latejo com a forte batida
de bumbo na saida. Esta batida, é tão forte
que coloca meu esforço de tocar a linha do baixo
contra a pulsação pouco imaginativa do bumbo,
em segundo plano. Como um operador de empilhadeira! Ele
pisa nos meus pés! Caso eu queira encaixar qualquer
coisa que não seja o batimento previsível,
estaremos entrando numa cruzada. Tive vezes, quando me encontrava
tocando com um baterista no bluegrass, que eu sonhava poder
pegar um taco de baseball para quebrar a perna direita dele.
Das gravações
do Seldom Scene que usavam bateria, a única pela
qual eu me preocupava era "Good Morning Mister Railroad
Man". Nessa, a parte audível da bateria eram
as escovas por cima da caixa. E nessa, eu sentia que o baixo
e a bateria de fato se completavam, uns aos outros. Ele
estava tocando fora do meu raio, sem problema.
BATERIAS NÃO FAZEM PARTE DE NADA!!
Tom Gray
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From: Ron Block
Regardless of what one thinks about "What is
bluegrass", if a study is made of its origins there can
be no doubt that the music is all about using tradition
in a creative, fresh, innovative way. Bill Monroe, Earl
Scruggs, Lester Flatt, Reno & Smiley, The Country Gentlemen,
Jimmy Martin, J.D. Crowe and the New South, The Seldom Scene,
the Osborne Brothers - even with that short list, think
of the stylistic differences involved; think of the instrumental
differences possible. The banjo was an innovation in Monroe's
music at one time; the dobro was introduced late by Flatt
and Scruggs and considered an aberration by hard-liners.
Drums were added to the various bands of the forefathers
on and off; tasteful drums, especially a snare, can indeed
be a part of a bluegrass band - history proves it.
Monroe digested various traditional music forms as he grew
up and those forms took him over; they began to mix and
be expressed as his own music. Blues, fiddle tunes (many
derived or handed down from the British Isles), and country
music of the day all filtered through Monroe's mind and
heart and then output in a form of his own. That's the heart
of bluegrass, right there.
Bluegrass is never going to be completely defined because
it's a paradox of tradition and innovation. If only one
side of the paradox is rigidly held at the expense of the
other it destroys what Bluegrass is. One side of the argument
sees the outer form, 'the music as Bill originally played
it with Flatt & Scruggs', etc., without understanding its
root causes. This approach leads to a dog-in-the-manger
attitude toward innovation. On the other side, to hold to
innovation alone destroys the outer form; 'Bluegrass is
whatever you want it to be, man.' Both sides of the paradox
have to be operational for a band to be doing what Bill
Monroe did at the origination point of the music.
Whatever musical leanings one has, the important thing
is to 'eat' good music and allow the digesting of it to
build one's musical identity. To adhere to a rigid system
of rules, to fail to experiment based on 'what others will
think of me', is musical death no matter what the level
of outer success.
Ron
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(Portuguese
translation by Erio Meili)
Desconsiderando aquilo que cada um pensa sobre "O que
é Bluegrass", se alguém fizer um estudo
da sua origem, não poderá haver dúvida
de que, esta música é tudo sobre usar tradição
de forma criativa, refrescante e inovadora. Bill Monroe, Earl
Scruggs, Lester Flatt, Reno & Smiley, The Country Gentlemen,
Jimmy Martin, J.D. Crowe & the New South, The Seldom Scene,
the Osborne Brothers - mesmo com esta lista curta, pense nas
diferenças de estilo envolvidas; pense nas diferenças
instrumentais possíveis.O banjo foi uma inovação
na música de Monroe um tempo atrás; o dobro
foi introduzido tarde por Flatt & Scruggs e era considerado
uma aberração pela "linhas duras".
A bateria foi adicionada, para lá e para cá,
nas varias bandas dos nossos ancestrais; baterias de bom gosto,
especialmente a caixa de repique, que pode de fato fazer parte
de uma banda bluegrass - a história é prova
disso.
Monroe digeria varias formas
de música tradicional durante sua convivência,
quando aquelas formas, que mandaram ele seguir em frente,
começaram a se misturar e se tornaram uma expressão
da sua própria música. Blues e melodias de rabeca,
(muitas delas derivadas ou repassadas das ilhas britânicas),
e a música country do dia, todos filtrados pela cabeça
e coração de Monroe, e em seguida soltadas com
a sua forma de autoria. Este é o coração
do bluegrass, aí mesmo.
Bluegrass nunca será
completamente definido porque se trata de um paradoxo de tradição
e inovação. Se somente um lado do paradoxo for
mantido com rigor à custas do outro, teremos a distruição
daquilo que é o Bluegrass. Um lado do argumento enxerga
o lado de fora, a música tal como era tocada originalmente
por Bill com Flatt&Scruggs" etc, sem entender suas
razões de origem. Esta aproximação nos
leva à uma atitude de "instinto animal" verso
a inovação. Do outro lado, insistindo somente
na inovação, haverá a destruição
da forma pelo lado de fora; "Bluegrass é aquilo
que você quer que o seja, meu caro" Ambos os lados
do paradoxo tem que ser operacionais para uma banda fazer
aquilo que o Bill Monroe fez no ponto de origem da música.
Qualquer que seja a inclinaçao
musical de alguém, é importante que se "coma"
a música boa e se faça uma boa digestão
dela a fim de construir sua identidade musical. Aderindo à
um sistema rígido de regras, falhando de experimentar,
se baseando só naquilo que "os outros possam pensar
de mim", é a morte musical, independente do sucesso
alheio.
Ron
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You may still listen again to the two sound bites
below for
"Hot Corn - Cold Corn" which was our guinea pig for the
research
Thanks!
Erio Meili
SPBMA - São Paulo Bluegrass Music Association
bluegrass@bluegrass.com.br
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Original Recording
in 1998
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Re-mastered Recording
in 2001
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in Brazil - with
drums
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in Brazil - without
drums
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(No Band Name)
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(SBB - SãoPaulo
Bluegrass Band)
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